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Wow! I am speechless... the amount of hate you exhibit here is terrific... and the amount of junk facts you throw about and the amount of misrepresentation... I just don't know where to begin!

Originally Posted by suzushii

And you present hard evidence where? If you want I'll dig up one of my courses, and transcribe exactly what I said - attraction is instinctual (you can't help who you feel attracted to) but cheating is a conscious choice.

I said 'sexual desires' is instintual... not 'cheating'... i guess you can win any argument by constantly muddying the water with your superior attitude... first misquote everything, then say how stupid your opponent is...

We are not escaping our nature when not cheating. See your bias? Not cheating because one weighs the benefits to be less then the side-effects is all too human.

What bias? If I said that men cheats a lot and the truth is that they do, is that bias? If I said that men are fundamentally different from women both physically, emotionally, and mentally, am I automatically sexist?

If you can't handle the truth just say so... and we'll all be PC and live our lives with falsehoods...

Animals don't have culture. Do you even know what you're talking about? Are you talking about the very complicated mating rituals that some animals do? Those are hardwired, instinctual.

Again, you know nothing for someone claiming to be a student of biology... Do you even keep up with the latest findings? Chimpanzees learn to use different tools from different tribes. And using different tools like we do such as chopsticks, or spoons are considered culture.

Like I said, the pattern is clear. You use 'facts as you wish' and then claim your opponent knows nothing.

Here's an excerp :

http://www.school-for-champions.com/...l_cultures.htm

A culture is a set of behavior traits or social rules that a specific group of a species follows. Humans have many cultures, even within specific nationalities or age groups. It was commonly thought that all animals within a species or subspecies behave according to the same rules. This is often done through adults teaching their young the way to behave. But recent studies have shown that there are cultures within specific animal groups. Cultures in groups of orangutans, chimpanzees and other animals have been witnessed.

Here's from USATODAY:

Let's get something straight. Humans and animals are much more similar than scholars have led us to believe, and we share at least two fundamental aspects of behavior that have been used for centuries to define our differences and thus our humanity: culture and learning.......

De Waal says he also hopes to dispel Western society's notion that culture is the opposite of human nature. The old philosophers believed that culture allowed humans to rise above their animalistic nature. De Waal says that Asians believe in a greater continuity between animals and humans and don't debate the existence of animal culture......

For those humans who find comparisons with animals offensive, rest easy. None of the beasts running around outdoors can write poetry or plays, paint masterpieces that hang in museums or dine with fine cutlery. But our differences, as Charles Darwin pointed out more than 100 years ago, are differences of degree and not of kind......
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Very few who can at least recognise themselves in a mirror, and a couple who have a very limited understanding of self. And what do you know, they're primates! We are special. Empathy is almost devoid in the natural world. It presupposes doing something that is evolutionary disadvantageous to help another.

Again, false facts and outdated notions about human superiority... sounds very religious to me..

Do animals feel empathy? This question could draw scoffing dismissal from many scientists only a few decades ago. Now it receives marvelously productive attention in neuroscience, psychology, and the burgeoning field of neuroethology. Below, two leaders in these fields, Emory University primatologist Frans de Waal and University of Chicago neurobiologist Peggy Mason, review both the history of animal studies of empathy and a particularly thought-provoking recent mouse study from the McGill University lab of Jeffrey Mogil. As de Waal and Mason note, this clever study holds surprises about both the baseline and the limitations of empathy in these small, "simple" rodents. One can't read these reviews without seeing one's own empathetic capacities and limitations in a new light....

Apart from a few rear-guard behaviorists, few people hesitate to ascribe empathy to their dogs. But then dog is man's best friend, freely credited with lots of human sentiments. You wouldn't expect a hard-nosed scientist to make similar claims about, say, rodents, would you? Yet a significant line of research, freshened most recently with the paper under review, demonstrates not just empathy's existence in rodents and other animals but its subtleties and exceptions as well.....

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You obviously don't even know what generalising means.
Say, if a fact is - some men cheat. Generalising would be: 100% all men cheat. As for the stats, I'll search for the study and post it later.

So, I guess we BOTH misused the word 'generalizing'.... I said I believe about 80% of men cheat... how is that generalizing? And Please, PLEASE do publish your 'facts' and not just pull them out of thin air.

I read the entire thread. You are trying to justify cheating. If a man wants to have sex with another woman, he should tell his wife. The wife then, should decide - let the man have sex on the side, and maintain the family, or separate because she doesn't want that kind of relationship.

Continue living in your fairyland... People lie, cheat, deceive all the time... As I always maintain, our society lives in a lie... I am trying to be honest and already pissing off people like you who wants to continue to live a lie.. If you think men who cheat will go home and automatically tell their wives about it, you're living on another planet..

Should (nice in dreamland) and DO (in reality) are two very different animals. Studies who conduct surveys on fidelity shows that most men or women don't know that their spouse are cheating on them.... Since the notion of cheating have brought up such strong emotion in you and all men and women, do you think people will admit to it?

It's like saying, pedophilic priest should just go to the police and give themselves up... it's the right thing to do after all, isn't it?? And the church should not protect them as well.. why are they hiding them and protecting them?

It's call self-preservation.. if you know you're going to get into trouble, you're likely to lie your ass off... would it be nice if everyone didn't lie, of course.. is it realistic.. ????

To prevent the woman from this decision is despicable. The fact that you're trying to justify it is also morally corrupt.

I think you're morally corrupt by trying to turn me into a monster by purposely distorting everything I say...

Of course, I was talking about an ideal situation. Something that everyone should strive for.

Finally a modicum of truth... I am merely stating facts that in reality it's far from ideal..

I have found my ideal realtionship. He will not cheat on me. We are always honest to each other. He allows me to date other men (he doesn't have the jealousy gene) but I'd never do that, because I am myself monogamous. Just because people are stupid, and immature, doesn't mean a good marriage is a thing of fantasy.

Wonderful... I wish you a great life...