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Originally Posted by puzzlegirl
What we have here is a classic case of nature v.s. nurture. And none of us are wrong because they are both valid scientific arguments.
cool believes that nature supplies us with traits and instincts that dictate our behaviour and that we cannot change our nature.
Whereas I believe (and I am not the only one) that we can subvert our own nature through psychological means and that we are mostly influenced through social interaction, personal values and morals, etc.
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Puzzlegirl... you got the nature vs nurture argument right becuase when you get right down to it, that's what it's been all about..
But again, I am a tad bit frustrated that you keep mis-representing my views or points, even in your conclusion...
You put it like nature vs nurture is black and white.. ie, I believe that we have zero control like perhaps bugs, and you're the clever one who knows that both exists yet we have control... when you spray the right chemicals they react instantly... By doing this, you're doing injustice to science and your opponent.
Of course my views are that we have a lot of higher conscious activities that we control... but all I have been argueing is that a lot of science today are starting to discover that a lot of things are virtually in our nature vs the old believe that almost everythinng is nurture... but it's still not black and white.. we still have most control, but in this particular case of sexual control, I am merely stating that the data shows men, regardless of their self-control have continued to fall victim to their natural programming....
And you can argue that till the end of days and the data will still show the same... I am a purely a scientific kind of guy and all pre-conceived notions will fall by the wayside if the data differs from them. For instance if the bible says that gay people are unnatural, and all our data says that they are born that way, then we MUST believe that rather than the conventional wisdom of religion...
I just wish you'll stop misrepresenting me and stop painting me as a black and white type of person... far from it....
Anyways, as you have put it eloquently, we have come to an end here and I'll just say kum-bye-ya.....